Yogi Sir college allotment is the part of counselling so govt. of U.P. is looting Rs.5000

Yogi Aditya Nath Sir, you are a seer in spite of this corruption has crossed every limit and reached at its zenith in your regime. Whether the Vice Chancellor Registrar and other concerned staffs of the university concerned is not drawing huge salaries from public exchequer? 

Grievance Status for registration number : GOVUP/E/2019/34987

Grievance Concerns To
Name Of Complainant
Yogi M. P. Singh
Date of Receipt
24/10/2019
Received By Ministry/Department
Uttar Pradesh
Grievance Description
An application on behalf of the aggrieved applicant Anjaney Shukla name of the father Mr Sachchida Nand Shukla and more detail and representation is attached to the grievance in the PDF form. Matter is concerned with the Mahatama Jyotiba Phule Rohilkhand University , Bareilly   Uttar Pradesh.
Grievance Document
Current Status
Case closed
Date of Action
17/03/2020
Remarks
Coordinator B.Ed. Entrance Exam ki aakhya ke anupalan me aapko avagat karana he ki Abhyarthi ki college allot ho chuka he, jis karan agrim shulk wapasi yogya nahi he Coordinator B.Ed. Entrance Exam ki aakhya ke anupalan me aapko avagat karana he ki Abhyarthi ki college allot ho chuka he, jis karan agrim shulk wapasi yogya nahi he
Rating
Poor
Rating Remarks
Please, ensure the refund of Rs.5000 extorted by the government of Uttar Pradesh from the B. Ed. Aspirants applied for counselling on the large scale in the name of admission fee but not refunded when admission was not taken by them even when numerous representations were submitted by them for a refund of advance taken a fee for admission. When the counselling fee is the only Rs.750, then why Rs.5000 was additionally charged from the poor vulnerable students. The matter is concerned with the deep-rooted corruption but no accountable public functionaries are taking seriously it. Whether education is promoted in this way in this largest democracy in the world. They have taken counselling fee and college allotment is the part of counselling and admission fee is subjected to admission if student did not take admission, then how can government of Uttar Pradesh may charge admission fee. Undoubtedly Yogi Government of Uttar Pradesh is looting poor and vulnerable students in the state .
Officer Concerns To
Officer Name
Shri Arun Kumar Dube
Officer Designation
Joint Secretary
Contact Address
Chief Minister Secretariat U.P. Secretariat, Lucknow
Email Address
sushil7769@gmail.com
Contact Number
0522 2226349

Whether we are ruled by rule of law or sheer anarchy if rule of law why poor students are being looted?

Monday, May 25, 2020

9:24 AM

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Whether we are ruled by rule of law or sheer anarchy if rule of law why poor students are being looted?

From

Mahesh Pratap Singh Yogi M. P. Singh

To

supremecourt; pmosb; presidentofindia@rb.nic.in; urgent-action@ohchr.org; cmup; csup@up.nic.in; hgovup@up.nic.in; uphrclko@yahoo.co.in

Sent

Tuesday, January 14, 2020 1:40 PM

An application under Article 32 of the Constitution of India.

To

                           The Hon’ble chief justice of India /companion judges

                                 Supreme court of India, New Delhi, India

Subject-Article 32, the constitution of India, right to Justice but this right is not reaching to citizens of this country because of rampant corruption in the government machinery. Whether the remedy is available to only those whose e-mail is digitally signed? Whether it is really apex court of India which took action on postcards and envelops? It seems that those things written in books are not the ground reality of our society as every truth is censored in this largest democracy in the world.

Prayer-Please, ensure the refund of Rs.5000 extorted by the government of Uttar Pradesh from the B. Ed. Aspirants applied for counselling on the large scale in the name of admission fee but not refunded when admission was not taken by them even when numerous representations were submitted by them for a refund of advance taken a fee for admission. When the counselling fee is the only Rs.750, then why Rs.5000 was additionally charged from the poor vulnerable students. The matter is concerned with the deep-rooted corruption but no accountable public functionaries are taking seriously it. Whether education is promoted in this way in this largest democracy in the world?

Petitioner-Yogi M. P. Singh Mobile number-7379105911

Mohalla-Surekapuram, Jabalpur Road

District-Mirzapur, Uttar Pradesh Pincode-231001

                                        Versus

Respondent-1-Chief Secretary

Government of Uttar Pradesh, Lucknow

2- Principle Secretary

Government of Uttar Pradesh, Lucknow

After five months of procrastination, a reply of Government of Uttar Pradesh is as follows-

Coordinator B.ed. Entrance Exam ki aakhya ke anupalan me aapko avagat karana he ki abhyarthi ko college allot ho chuka he jis karan agrim shulk wapasi yogya nahi he.

Sir whether coordinator is a rulemaking body or Judge of High court or supreme court? Whether such draconian rules can be allowed which may deprive poor students on the large scale from the hard-earned money of his / her parents arbitrarily and this fund may reach into the pockets of the corrupt public functionaries indirectly?

Most revered Sir Your applicant invites the kind attention of Honble Sir with due respect to the following submissions as follows.

1-It is submitted before the Honble Sir that  51A. Fundamental duties It shall be the duty of every citizen of India (a) to abide by the Constitution and respect its ideals and institutions, the National Flag and the National Anthem;(h) to develop the scientific temper, humanism and the spirit of inquiry and reform;

(i) to safeguard public property and to abjure violence;

(j) to strive towards excellence in all spheres of individual and collective activity so that the nation constantly rises to higher levels of endeavour and achievement.

2-It is submitted before the Honble Sir that after many months passed and numerous representations submitted before the Government of Uttar Pradesh, an arbitrary reply was submitted by the coordinator of exam conducting body in the following grievance.

संदर्भ संख्या : 40019919035094 , दिनांक – 13 Jan 2020 तक की स्थिति

आवेदनकर्ता का विवरण : शिकायत संख्या:–40019919035094

आवेदक का नामYogi M P Singh

विषयAn application on behalf of the aggrieved applicant Anjaney Shukla name of the father Mr Sachchida Nand Shukla and more detail and representation is attached to the grievance in the PDF form. Matter is concerned with the Mahatama Jyotiba Phule Rohilkhand University , Bareilly   Uttar Pradesh.श्री मान जी प्रवेश के नाम पर ५००० रुपये लिए गए और उसको कॉलेज के द्वारा ली जाने वाले फीस में इंक्लूड किया जाना था किन्तु जब प्रवेश नहीं हुआ तो प्रवेश शुल्क वापस होना चाहिए | श्री मान जी जब सरकार निजी प्रबंध तंत्रों के मदद से ५१ से ६०  हजार रुपये हर सेमेस्टर में वसूलती है तो सरकार के अधीनस्थों में मानवता कहा  से हो सकती है हर पग पग पर फीस ली गई तो फिर प्रवेश के नाम पर जो ५००० रूपये वसूली गई है फीस ली गई है और जब प्रवेश नहीं हुआ तो एडवांस में जमा शुल्क वापस हो जो न्याय सगत है

विभाग एम.जे.पी. रुहेलखण्ड विश्वविद्यालय, बरेली

शिकायत श्रेणी नियोजित तारीख08-11-2019

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अंतरित

ऑनलाइन सन्दर्भ

24-10-2019

रजिस्ट्रार एम.जे.पी. रुहेलखण्ड विश्वविद्यालय, बरेली

30-12-2019

Coordinator B.ed. Entrance Exam ki aakhya ke anupalan me aapko avagat karana he ki abhyarthi ko college allot ho chuka he jis karan agrim shulk wapasi yogya nahi he

निस्तारित

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3-It is submitted before the Honble Sir that following representation was submitted on 14-Aug-2019 but remained unsuccessful in drawing the attention of the concerned public functionaries.

Mahesh Pratap Singh Yogi M P Singh <yogimpsingh@gmail.com>

Applicant paid advance college fee Rs.5000 and counselling fee Rs.750 but did not take admission then why procrastination in a refund of Rs.5000?

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Mahesh Pratap Singh Yogi M P Singh <yogimpsingh@gmail.com>

14 August 2019 at 22:23

To: pmosb <pmosb@pmo.nic.in>, presidentofindia@rb.nic.in, supremecourt <supremecourt@nic.in>, urgent-action <urgent-action@ohchr.org>, cmup <cmup@up.nic.in>, hgovup@up.nic.in, csup@up.nic.in, uphrclko <uphrclko@yahoo.co.in>

Honourable sir may be pleased to direct the concerned organizer of U.P.B.Ed. J.E.E. 2019 to refund my paid advance college fee Rs.5000 as soon as possible to my account as required by the law as the applicant is no more interested to pursue the courses of B.Ed. as its huge fee can’t be afforded by the parents of the applicant because of poor farming in the coming years. It seems that rain god Indra is infuriated with us consequently created a drought-like situation in Mirzapur district. It is well established Hindi proverb-करे कोई भरे कोई i.e. Innocent and gullible citizenry always suffer faults others.

Following is the detail of the applicant regarding the U.P.B.Ed. J.E.E. 2019 and for more detail like payment and bank details, vide attached PDF documents to this representation. 

Registration number:20191404063, Roll number-50086029,  Personal Details Candidate Name: ANJANEYA SHUKLA,  Candidate Father Name: SACHCHIDA NAND SHUKLA,  Candidate Mother Name: MANASHA DEVI,  Candidate Date of Birth : 25/Dec/1998, Gender : Male, Marital status : Unmarried, Nationality :Indian

 C – Communication Address Mobile number : 7860688249, Alternate mobile number :939726858535,  Email address :anjaneyshuklanaugaon@gmail.com, Village Naugaon Post Nadini Rampur Ghat Road, State :Uttar Pradesh, City : Mirzapur,Pincode :231303

                     Date-14-08-2019                                        Applicant

                                                                                    Anjaney Shukla S/O Sachchida Nand Shukla address as aforementioned.

Message from the Vice Chancellor –उत्तर प्रदेश शासन द्वारा सत्र 2019-21 की राज्य स्तरीय बी0एड0 (द्विवर्षीय) संयुक्त प्रवेश परीक्षा-2019 को आयोजित करने का उत्तरदायित्व महात्मा ज्योतिबा फुले रूहेलखण्ड विश्वविद्यालय, बरेली को प्रदान किया गया है। 

Message from the B.Ed State Coordinatorअत्यन्त प्रसन्नता का विषय है कि उत्तर प्रदेश शासन ने महात्मा ज्योतिबा फुले रूहेलखण्ड विश्वविद्यालय, बरेली को दूसरी बार उत्तर प्रदेश राज्य संयुक्त बी0एड0 प्रवेश परीक्षा-2019 का गुरुतर उत्तरदायित्व प्रदान किया है। शासन द्वारा प्राप्त यह सुअवसर विश्वविद्यालय की निष्पक्ष कार्यशैली एवं उत्कृष्ट प्रशासनिक दक्षता को प्रकट करता है। शासन का विश्वविद्यालय के प्रति यह विश्वास समस्त विश्वविद्यालयी वातावरण को सकारात्मक रूप से प्रेरित एवं ऊर्जित कर रहा है। समस्त प्रवेश प्रक्रिया को निर्बाध एवं सफलतापूर्वक सम्पन्न कराने के लिए विश्वविद्यालय समयबद्ध शिल्पनियोजन में संलग्न है।

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4-It is submitted before the Honble Sir that following representation was submitted on 24-Oct-2019 but remained unsuccessful in drawing the attention of the concerned public functionaries.

Mahesh Pratap Singh Yogi M P Singh <yogimpsingh@gmail.com>

24 October 2019 at 14:41

To: pmosb <pmosb@pmo.nic.in>, presidentofindia@rb.nic.in, supremecourt <supremecourt@nic.in>,

urgent-action <urgent-action@ohchr.org>, cmup <cmup@up.nic.in>, hgovup@up.nic.in, csup@up.nic.in,

uphrclko <uphrclko@yahoo.co.in>

The matter is concerned with the कुलसचिव महात्मा गांधी रूहेलखण्ड विश्वविद्यालय बरेली 

but when it was submitted on Jansunwai portal, the government of Uttar

Pradesh, then it was forwarded to रजिस्ट्रार –उ० प्र० राजर्षि टंडन मुक्त विश्वविद्यालय

प्रयागराज and it was disposed of on the ground that प्रकरण इस विश्वविद्यालय से सम्बन्धित 

नहीं है। प्रकरण इस विश्वविद्यालय से सम्बन्धित नहीं है। Matter is concerned with the refund of the fee

payment made by the aggrieved applicant/ student Anjaney Shukla for B.Ed.  If the matter was

not concerned to the रजिस्ट्रार –उ० प्र० राजर्षि टंडन मुक्त विश्वविद्यालयप्रयागराज, then either the concerned university

 or nodal officer had to transfer the grievance to कुलसचिव महात्मा गांधी रूहेलखण्ड

 विश्वविद्यालय बरेली.

Most revered Sir/Madam –Your applicant invites the kind attention of

Hon’ble Sir/Madam, with due respect to the following submissions as

follows.

1-It is submitted before the Hon’ble Sir that 51A. Fundamental duties

It shall be the duty of every citizen of India (a) to abide by the

Constitution and respect its ideals and institutions, the National Flag

and the National Anthem;(h) to develop the scientific temper,

humanism and the spirit of inquiry and reform;

(i) to safeguard public property and to abjure violence;

(j) to strive towards excellence in all spheres of individual and

collective activity so that the nation constantly rises to higher

levels of endeavour and achievement

.2-It is submitted before the Hon’ble Sir that following is the

report submitted by the government of Uttar Pradesh Grievance

Document Current Status-Case closed Date of Action-13/09/2019 

Remarks&#x0D; कुलसचिव महात्मा गांधी रूहेलखण्ड विश्वविद्यालय बरेली को प्रकरण में

 नियमानुसार आवश्यक कार्यवाही किये जाने के निर्देश दे दिए गए है in the Grievance

registered as registration number: PMOPG/E/2019/0465552

and which status is as follows.

Grievance Concerns To

Name Of Complainant-Anjaney Shukla Date of Receipt-14/08/2019

Received By Ministry/Department-Prime Ministers Office

Grievance Description

Honourable sir may be pleased to direct the concerned organiser of

U.P.B.Ed. J.E.E. 2019 to refund my paid advance college fee Rs.5000

as soon as possible to my account as required by the law as the applicant

is no more interested to pursue the courses of B.Ed. as its huge fee

can’t be afforded by the parents of the applicant because of poor

farming in the coming years. It seems that rain god Indra is infuriated

with us consequently created a drought-like situation in Mirzapur

district. It is well establish

shed Hindi proverb-करे कोई भरे कोई i.e. Innocent and gullible citizenry

always suffer faults others.

Following is the detail of the applicant regarding the U.P.B.Ed. J.E.E. 2019 and for

more detail like payment and bank details, vide attached PDF documents to this

representation.

Registration number:20191404063, Roll number-50086029, Personal Details

Candidate Name: ANJANEYA SHUKLA, Candidate Father Name: SACHCHIDA NAND

SHUKLA, Candidate Mother Name: MANSHA DEVI, Candidate Date of Birth:

25/Dec/1998, Gender: Male, Marital status: Unmarried, Nationality: Indian

C – Communication Address Mobile number: 7860688249, Alternate mobile

number:939726858535, Email address:anjaneyshuklanaugaon@gmail.com,

Village Naugaon Post Nadini Rampur Ghat Road, State: Uttar Pradesh, City:

Mirzapur, Pincode :231303

Date-14-08-2019 Applicant

Anjaney Shukla S/O Sachchida Nand Shukla address as aforementioned.

Message from the Vice Chancellor –उत्तर प्रदेश शासन द्वारा सत्र 2019-21 की राज्य स्तरीय 

बी0एड0 (द्विवर्षीयसंयुक्त प्रवेश परीक्षा-2019 को आयोजित करने का उत्तरदायित्व महात्मा ज्योतिबा 

फुले रूहेलखण्ड विश्वविद्यालयबरेली को प्रदान किया गया है।

Message from the B.Ed State Coordinator-अत्यन्त प्रसन्नता का विषय है कि उत्तर प्रदेश शासन

 ने महात्मा ज्योतिबा फुले रूहेलखण्ड विश्वविद्यालयबरेली को दूसरी बार उत्तर प्रदेश राज्य संयुक्त 

बी0एडप्रवेश परीक्षा-2019 का गुरुतर उत्तरदायित्व प्रदान किया है। शासन द्वारा प्राप्त यह सुअवसर विश्वविद्यालय की निष्पक्ष 

कार्यशैली एवं उत्कृष्ट प्रशासनिक दक्षता को प्रकट करता है। शासन का विश्वविद्यालय के प्रति यह विश्वास 

समस्त विश्वविद्यालयी वातावरण को सकारात्मक रूप से प्रेरित एवं ऊर्जित कर रहा है। समस्त प्रवेश 

प्रक्रिया को निर्बाध एवं सफलतापूर्वक सम्पन्न कराने के लिए विश्वविद्यालय समयबद्ध शिल्पनियोजन में 

संलग्न है।

Grievance Document Current Status-Case closed Date of Action-13/09/2019

Remarks&#x0D; कुलसचिव महात्मा गांधी रूहेलखण्ड विश्वविद्यालय बरेली को प्रकरण में 

नियमानुसार आवश्यक कार्यवाही किये जाने के निर्देश दे दिए गए है 

Officer Concerns To Officer Name-Shri Arun Kumar Dube

Officer Designation-Joint Secretary

Contact Address-Chief Minister Secretariat U.P. Secretariat, Lucknow

Email Address Contact Number-05222215127

Pasted from <https://pgportal.gov.in/Status/Detail>

 3-It is submitted before the Honble Sir that संदर्भ संख्या : 40015019024165 , 

दिनांक – 24 Oct 2019 तक की स्थिति was not disposed on the merit but it was disposed on flimsy ground

that it is not concerned with the public authority.

संदर्भ संख्या : 40015019024165 , दिनांक – 24 Oct 2019 तक की स्थिति

आवेदनकर्ता का विवरण :शिकायत संख्या:-40015019024165

आवेदक का नामAnjaney Shukla विषयHere with detail application is attached.

विभाग –उ० प्र० राजर्षि टंडन मुक्त विश्वविद्यालयप्रयागराज

शिकायत श्रेणी – नियोजित तारीख29-08-2019  शिकायत की स्थितिस्तर –विश्वविद्यालय

पद –रजिस्ट्रारReminder-Feedback –फीडबैक की स्थिति –

संलग्नक देखें –Click here

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अंतरित

ऑनलाइन 

सन्दर्भ

14-08-2019

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16-08-2019

प्रकरण इस 

विश्वविद्यालय 

से सम्बन्धित 

नहीं है।

 प्रकरण इस 

विश्वविद्यालय

 से सम्बन्धित 

नहीं है।

निस्तारित

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This is a humble request of your applicant to you Hon’ble Sir that how can it be justified to withhold public services arbitrarily and promote anarchy, lawlessness and chaos in an arbitrary manner by making the mockery of law of land? There is need of the hour to take harsh steps against the wrongdoer in order to win the confidence of citizenry and strengthen the democratic values for healthy and prosperous democracy. For this, your applicant shall ever pray you, Hon’ble Sir.

Date-24/10/2019           Yours sincerely

                              Yogi M. P. Singh, Mobile number-7379105911, Mohalla- Surekapuram, Jabalpur Road, District-Mirzapur, Uttar Pradesh, Pin code-231001.

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5-It is submitted before the Honble Sir that

परहित सरिस धर्म नहि भाई |

परपीड़ा सम नहि अधमाई ||

प्राइमरी स्कूल नीबी गहरवार में आज ये सब महान वाक्य मात्र खंडहर बचे है किन्तु मेरी स्मृतियों में कभी भी न मिटने वाला अमिट छाप छोड़ा है |

Every coin has two sides likewise each decision /act consists of two aspects i.e. Positive and negative aspect and which aspect accepted depends on the mentality of an actor. An actor who accepts positive aspect inculcate good virtues and becomes great that is why it is rightly said that man is great by his deeds and character nothing else.

6-It is submitted before the Hon’ble Sir that Greek philosophers such as Plato and Aristotle around 350 BC. Plato wrote: “Where the law is subject to some other authority and has none of its own, the collapse of the state, in my view, is not far off; but if law is the master of the government and the government is its slave, then the situation is full of promise and men enjoy all the blessings that the gods shower on a state”. Likewise, Aristotle also endorsed the concept of Rule of law by writing that “law should govern and those in power should be servants of the laws.”

This is a humble request of your appellant to you Honble Sir that how can it be justified to withhold public services arbitrarily and promote anarchy, lawlessness and chaos in an arbitrary manner by making the mockery of law of land? There is need of the hour to take harsh steps against the wrongdoer in order to win the confidence of citizenry and strengthen the democratic values for healthy and prosperous democracy. For this, your appellant shall ever pray you, Honble Sir.                                                                             

  Date-14-01-2020                           Yours sincerely

                                        Yogi M. P. Singh, Mobile number-7379105911,   Mohalla- Surekapuram, Jabalpur Road, District-Mirzapur, Uttar Pradesh, Pin code-231001.

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Arun Pratap Singh
6 months ago

Whether education is promoted in this way in this largest democracy in the world. They have taken counselling fee and college allotment is the part of counselling and admission fee is subjected to admission if student did not take admission, then how can government of Uttar Pradesh may charge admission fee. Undoubtedly Yogi Government of Uttar Pradesh is looting poor and vulnerable students in the state .
Undoubtedly it is reflection of rampant corruption in the government machinery in which even students are not being spared.

Preeti Singh
6 months ago

श्री मान जी प्रवेश के नाम पर ५००० रुपये लिए गए और उसको कॉलेज के द्वारा ली जाने वाले फीस में इंक्लूड किया जाना था किन्तु जब प्रवेश नहीं हुआ तो प्रवेश शुल्क वापस होना चाहिए | श्री मान जी जब सरकार निजी प्रबंध तंत्रों के मदद से ५१ से ६० हजार रुपये हर सेमेस्टर में वसूलती है तो सरकार के अधीनस्थों में मानवता कहा से हो सकती है हर पग पग पर फीस ली गई तो फिर प्रवेश के नाम पर जो ५००० रूपये वसूली गई है फीस ली गई है और जब प्रवेश नहीं हुआ तो एडवांस में जमा शुल्क वापस हो जो न्याय सगत है
Because of corruption in the government machinery, they are not refunding the paid amount to student when student did not take admission. Rs.5000 for admission so it had to be included in the admission fee but student did not take admission, how can they loot the paid money. The dealings of the government is itself cryptic.

Beerbhadra Singh
6 months ago

Our motive is good governance but where is good governance if poor vulnerable students are being targeted and they are looted openly rupees 5,000 illegally by the public functionaries in the Government of Uttar Pradesh and most surprising is that these public functionaries are not satisfied with huge salary drawing from the public exchequer but they are not satisfied with huge emoluments of salary and indulging in in the deep rooted corruption causing damage to the the economy of estate and amassing use wealth.

Bhoomika Singh
6 months ago

Undoubtedly rupees 5000 is not a tiny amount which may be lapsed so under such circumstances what ever practice has been adapted by the government of Uttar Pradesh through its subsidiary Mahatma Jyotiba Phule University rohelkhand is not justified. Everyone knows that this is an arbitrary action of the Government of Uttar Pradesh which is floating the all setup norm and looting the innocent and gullible citizenry must be condemned. Whether citizens in the state of Uttar Pradesh is not being made stupid by the public functionaries?